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Wil jy weet wie was jou voorouers
« on: September 21, 2021, 09:22:00 AM »

Bladsy 549 van my familiestamboom wat ek in Power point doen.  As julle ooit Pieternella van die Kaap gelees het, sal julle die geskiedenis van Eva en haar dogter Pieternella ken. 

Nou moet ek net gou 'n paar dinge gaan doen dan kom deel ek die volgende paar bladsye met julle. 



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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2021, 09:46:33 AM »
 Wonderlike voorreg PM! Hierdie merkwaardige vroutjie was ook ons kleinseun se 18de oumagrootjie in skoondogter hulle se stamboom. Ongelooflik om die stamboom nou so te kan sien. Ek sal vir jou die skakel kom vasmaak waar ek in 2012 'n opsomming van die treffendste dele uit die boek gemaak het.

https://forum.afrikaanseforum.co.za/index.php?topic=1508.msg8429#msg8429

 

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2021, 12:38:38 PM »
Ek is rasend oor Dalene se skrywe.
Haar Fiela se Kind was vir my n hoogtepunt in my bestaan op aarde. Die film is nimmer-sterwend mooi.
Ek was al by die Knysna bosse oor haar inspirasie.
En daardie gesegdes Meraai is bewaar-mooi.

Kan jy glo...ons het mekaar so in die kronkel gange van die lewe tussen Woes en Nou verloor, en tog op eienaardige maniere besig gebly met Woord en Daad.
Na 15 jaar se navorsing, en 2 ander navorsers waarvan een skielik oorlede is en die ander opgegee het, het ek in 2012 n Stamboon gepubliseer vir die nageslag aan my ma hulle se kant.
Ek het die voorgeskiedenis van 1783 ingesit, en gekonsentreer op slegs van my direkte oupa en ouma af, met my ma-hulle as 15 kinders in totaal, waarvan 2 stief sussies was.
In 2012 besef ek dat dit n projek is wat nooit ophou nie. Toe wag ek vir een seuntjie se geboorte, sit hom in en seg AMEN.
Ek sou graag n opvolg wou maak, maar my tyd is te min, dis vreeslik baie tyd berowend.

n Mens moet nie wag nie, more is wel nog n dag, maar dis nie te sê ek is in daardie dag nie, nê?
Die opvolg boek sal moontlik makliker wees, want ek hoef net by te voeg, en te bevestig wie na die Ewige verhuis het, wie getroud en wie weggedraai het. Dis nogal n gedoente. Jy kan bv nie sommer net iemand delete nie. Nee, jy moet n register invul om te bevestig dat hierdie persoon geskei het en nie meer deel is nie, en as daar kinders was, bly die kind mos deel. So die diagramme sal altyd so persoon wys.
Jy kan ook nie n stiefkind in"dokter" by n familie nie, nee, jy moet die proses volg om te bevestig wie die kind se biologiese ouers is, en so kind wys dan in n afdeling as die aangetroude se kind, en in die struktuur sal so kind by wys.

My waaier-diagram (net van my ouma en oupa af), was destyds so groot, ek kon dit net by NASHUA printers gaan print, en dan moet jy nog n vergrootglas gebruik vir die name..
Net vir die interessantheid. (is dit 2 erre?)
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2021, 01:25:23 PM »
Ja lief Antjie, dit is 2 erre.   :love7:
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2022, 08:29:33 AM »
Krotoa’s Story as told by others.
  Krotoa (Eva)
Synopsis:
A Khoi woman who worked as a domestic servant in the Van Riebeeck house and a translator for the Dutch authorities. Her marriage was the first recorded union between a ‘native’ and a ‘settler’. She was banished to Robben Island
First Name:
Krotoa
Last Name:
of the Goringhaicona
Date of Birth:
Circa 1643
Location of Birth:
Western Cape, South Africa
Date of Death:
29-July-1674
Location of Death:
Robben Island, Western Cape, South Africa
Gender:
female
Krotoa (known as Eva to the Dutch and English settlers) was the niece of Autshumao, a Khoi leader and interpreter to the Dutch (he was known as Harry/Herry first by the English and then by the Dutch).
A young Krotoa, of about 10 or 11 years old, was taken in by Jan van Riebeeck during the first few days of Dutch settlement in the Cape. She worked as a servant to the Commander’s wife, Maria van Riebeek (nee de la Quellerie), and is first mentioned in van Riebeeck’s diary in January 1654 as ‘a girl who had lived with us’. She mastered Dutch and Portuguese and responded eagerly to Christian instruction given her by Maria.
As her command of the Dutch language and her familiarity with Dutch ways grew, so did her usefulness as an interpreter. Krotoa established herself as a staunch friend of the Dutch, negotiating a co-operative relationship between the fort and the followers of her rich relative Oedasoa. She was later instrumental in working out terms for ending the First Dutch-Khoi-khoi War.
In the 1650s Eva was the only figure possessing an intimate knowledge of both Khoikhoi and Dutch culture; as she passed back and forth between one society and the other, she exchanged her Dutch clothing for Khoikhoi skins, and vice versa. However, her work as an interpreter was not easy at this time, as she was torn between her loyalty to the Dutch (who had taken her in and given her new clothes) and her own people (whose land was being taken over by the Dutch in the late 1650s). Due to this dilemma, Krotoa often struggled to maintain trust on both sides.
This struggle is evident in a report by van Riebeeck’s diarist, who recorded the words of the Khoi chief and interpreter, Doman: ‘I am a Hottentot and not a Dutchman, but you, Eva, try to curry favour with the Commander [van Riebeeck].’ Doman therefore saw her as a traitor.
Yet van Riebeeck, who understood that Krotoa was the niece of the Goringhaicona Chief Autshumao (Harry), felt she was overly devoted to her uncle.  Ironically it was according to Krotoa’s advice (supported by Doman) that van Riebeeck once had Autshumato captured and sent to Robben Island.
In 1662 Krotoa became the first indigenous Southern African to be baptised a Christian, and the Dutch settlers named her Eva. But in the same year the van Riebeeck’s departured the Cape leaving Krotoa feeling vulnerable.  She was recommended to van Riebeeck’s successor, Wagenaer, but the new Governor was suspicious of her. This was partly because of the fact that she left to visit her people from time to time. Life was also extremely hard for Krotoa after the deaths of both Autshumato and Doman, as she remained the only experienced go-between at the Cape.
On 26 April 1664, Eva’s engagement to Danish soldier and explorer Pieter van Meerhof was announced. The announcement came three months after van Meerhof’s sixth expedition into the interior. The couple were married on 2 June 1664, at the house of Commander Zacharias Wagenaer. The Company (VOC), which favoured total cultural assimilation for Khoikhoi, gave her a generous dowry. The keeper of Wagenaer’s diary noted that this union was “The first marriage contracted here according to Christian usage with a native.” As it was only 12 years after van Riebeeck’s landing at the Cape, marriages between Whites and Natives were not prohibited at this time.
 One year later, Eva, van Meerhof and their 2 children went to live on Robben Island, where van Meerhof was appointed superintendent.  His job was to get rid of snakes, spiders and similar creatures. When Krotoa, who gave birth to her third child in 1666 - the family briefly returned to the mainland to baptize the baby. Later, on an expedition to Madagascar, Van Meerhoff was killed in a skirmish.

Krotoa and her children returned to the mainland in September 1668. For a while Eva remained a respectable member of European society, but soon start­ed to drink heavily and turned to prostitu­tion. In February 1669, her drunken behaviour at the dinner table of Commander Wagenaer, and her increasing bitterness against the settlers, prompted a warning from the Dutch that if she did not correct her ways, she would be banished. Krotoa decided to abandon her children and run away, but she was soon taken back to the fort as a prisoner. In March 1669 she was banished to Robben Island for immoral behaviour. She died on the Island 5 years later on 29 July 1674, and was buried the next day in the church of the new Castle.
At her death the Dutch saw her tragic life as proof that Khoikhoi were unable to absorb the best of European culture; 'With the dogs she returned to her own vomit,' the official diarist recorded, 'a clear illustration that nature, no matter how tightly muzzled by imprinted moral principles ... reverts to its inborn qualities'
Eva’s youngest children, Pieternella and Salamon, who were from her marriage to von Meerhof, were taken to Mauritius in 1677 by a man named Bartholomeus Born. Pieternella later married free burgher Daniel Saayman and had four sons and four daughters- the second daughter named Eva after her grandmother. Pieternella and her family returned to the Cape in 1709.
Little is known about the lives of Pieternella’s brothers and of the children that Krotoa bore out of wedlock.
References
'Islands' by Dan Sleigh (Secker and Warburg, 2004) "Translated from the original Afrikaans version by Andre Brink, drawing on the early Dutch East Indies Company journals, archival researcher Dan Sleigh reads between the lines of official entries and creates a fictional voice for Krotoa".|Groep Sonder Grense - Die rol en status van die gemengde bevolking aan die Kaap' by Hans Fredrich Heese. For those interested in geneaology and the complexity of Coloured identity in South Africa. |Morris, M. (2004) Every Step of the Way: The journey to freedom in South Africa. Funded by the Ministry of Education. Published by HSRC Press, p 62 ”“ 64.|Giliomee, H. and Mbenga, B. (2007). New History of South Africa. Tafelberg Publishers, Cape Town, pg 51.|Dalene Matthee's books, 'Pieternella Van Die Kaap: Historiese Roman Oor Pieternella En Eva-Krotoa' (2000) and 'Susters Van Eva' (1995) |‘The Leader’ (date unknown) Supplement series in The Sowetan.
Collections in the Archives
Krotoa (Eva)
The Khoisan
History of Women’s Struggle in South Africa

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2022, 08:56:33 AM »
Hier is dit ten einde laaste.  'n Paar bladsye van my stamboom.  Ek het gesukkel om dit van Power Point af te laai, maar aanhouer wen.
 Dit is dalk baie inligting, maar dalk wil iemand nog meer weet, dan plaas ek nog 'n paar bladsye.
 
 Pieter Havgard van Meerhoff  ?-1677
 and Krotoa Goringhaicona aka Eva van die Kaap 1642-1674.
 
 Pieter Havgard van Meerhoff from Copenhagen in Denmark arrived at the Cape on board the ship Princess Royael. He was a soldier, discoverer and explorer and later a medical doctor at the Cape. He married on 12.4.1664 in the little church in the wooden Cape Fort, Eva van die Kaap, a Hottentot girl called Krotoa from the Goringhaicona tribe of Hottentots.
 
 Born in about 1642, and from the age of about 10  years, Krotoa named Eva  by Jan van Riebeeck, grew up and worked in the van Riebeeck household at the Fort. She was the first  Khoi-San (Hottentot) woman to appear in the V.O.C. and European records of the early Cape Settlement, who as an individual personality interacted socially and culturally with the Dutch settlers. She spoke Dutch and Portuguese and her job was as interpreter with the Hottentots. Her uncle was Autshumo Goringhaicona, called Herrie die Strandlooper by the Dutch with whom they traded cattle. Autshumo/Herrie was the chief of the Goringhaicon tribe, as this group of Hottentots referred to themselves. Herrie to the surprise of Jan van Riebeeck and recorded as such in van Riebeeck’s diary, Herrie could speak English. On 3 May 1662 Krotoa/Eva was baptised in the Christian religion.
 
 Now married Krotoa/Eva van die Kaap and Pieter Havgard van Meerhoff went to live on Robben Island (the island has been a prison since 1652), where van Meerhoff was the island super-intendent.
 
 Pieter was also sent to work in Mauritius for a few years, and relocated with his family, eventually returning to the Cape.
 
 After Pieter van Meerhoff’s murder in 1677 Krotoa/Eva returned with her children from Robben Island to the mainland. Eva was an alcoholic and was regularly banished to Robben island for disorderly conduct. She died on 29.7.1674 and was buried in the church at the Fort. She had three children that survived infancy.
 
      Pieter Havgard van Meerhof and Krotoa/Eva’s children:
           1.     Saloman van Meerhoff baptised in cape Town on 1.9.1665.
           2.     Jacobus van Meerhoff, died as a child.
           3.     Pieternella van Meerhoff born in Mauritius in 1673 married Daniel Zaaijman  from Vlissingen, a farmer on the island of Mauritius. They returned to the Cape in 1709 where Daniel died in 1714. Pieternella is regarded as a significant ancestor as many South African families can trace their roots back to her – your de Bruyn/Duvenhage line of descent.
 
 Now you know where the old saying comes from! “My groot groot
 oupa-grootjie was Herrie die Standlooper.” Herrie and his followers/tribe
 roamed the coastal region from Cape Agulhas to Cape Town, and Herrie
 through helping shipwreck survivors learned to Sprechen d’ Engels
 (speak English), as recorded by Jan van Riebeeck. Herrie was also the first
 to greet Jan van Riebeeck and his contingent, in English, soon after they
 arrived in Table Bay.   Krotoa Goringhaicona /Eva van die Kaap, mother of Pieternella van Meerhof.
 
 Zaaijman 1650-1714 and Pieternella van Meerhoff 1663-1713.
  Daniel Zaaijman was born in 1650 in Vlissingen, Zeeland, in the Netherlands. He began a 15 year vryburgherkontrak (free citizen’s contract) in the service of the V.O.C and was stationed at Mauritius, also a Dutch East India Company Settlement. Here he worked as a ships navigator, carpenter and kuiper, (cooper- maker of vats and barrels).
 
 In 1696, having gained his free burger rights he helped his family plant sweet potatoes on the Lemoenboomvlakte. He had two slaves to help him and he was expected to plant and harvest 1000 half-aums of sweet potatoes yearly, for which the Mauritian Commander calculated between 30 and 40 extra slaves were needed to fulfil the V.O.C expectations.
 
 In Mauritius he married the 14 year old Pieternella van Meerhoff on 30.10.1677. Pieternella was born at the Cape in 1663, the daughter of Pieter Havgard van Meerhoff [205] and Krotoa/Eva van die Kaap.
 
 For some reason the Dutch decided to abandon the settlement on Mauritius, and Daniel elected to go to the Cape with his wife and children, instead of Batavia. On 26.1.1709, Daniel Zaaijman and wife Pieternella van Meerhoff, returned to Cape Town.  On 11.3.1711 Daniel and his son Pieter informed the Burger Raad (Citizen’s Council) that they were planning to move from the Cape District to the Stellenbosch District, and permission was granted. Here he bought a small farm named Patrijzen Valleij. He died aged 64 years in Stellenbosch in 1714. Pieternella died the previous year in 1713, at 50 years of age. Their deaths the result of smallpox, which also claimed their two youngest sons.
 
 At the time of his death Daniel he owned a house and yard in Table Valley, address: Block GG, numbers 11 and 12. Jan Jacob Stockvliet bought the house out of Daniel’s estate in March 1715. Daniel did not own much: a bed, mattress and pillows. Table and kitchen ware, plus a very large stock of silver buttons and trouser fittings. Maybe he traded in these. There was also a chest with coopering tools, from his original trade.
 
 The name Zaaijman, is in later years, also spelled Zaayman, Saaiman and Saayman.
 
 Their children were all born in Mauritius and the last three were baptised in Cape Town:
           1.     Catherina Zaaijman, born 27.9.1679, married in 1694 Roelof Diodati, born in Dordrecht, Netherlands in 1658.
 Roelof was of Swiss/Italian descent. He was the Opperhoof, Commander of Mauritius and later Governor of
                   Deshima on the Japanese coast. He died in Batavia on 10.3.1723, aged 65 years.
           2.     Eva Zaaijman, born on 10.6.1680/82, married in 1712 Herbert Jansz van der Meyden in Mauritius and they also returned to the Cape. Herbert was from Schoonhoven in the  Netherlands and they lived at the Swartriviermond. On Herbert’s death Eva married in Stellenbosch on 20.9.1711 Joannis Johan Smit, from Niewekerk, Delft in the Netherlands. Eva died at Cape Town, a year after her marriage in 1713, from smallpox.
           3.     Magdalena Zaaijman, born 1683, died in Mauritius on 6.11.1704. She married in 1697, Johannes (Jan) Bockelenberg [207a]. He was born in Germany in 1668, a medical surgeon for the V.O.C in Mauritius from 1697 to 1704. In 1705 widower Johannes returned to the Cape, where he worked as a free burgher surgeon. He owned the property Moddergat, near Stellenbosch. Johannes died in 1709 - my Steenkamp and your next de Bruyn line of descent.
           4.     Maria Martha Maryke (Maijke) Zaaijman, born 28.5.1686, died of smallpox in the Cape in 1713. She married progenitor Hendrik  Abraham de Vries, from Oudekerk, Amsterdam, in Mauritius in 1699, when she was but 13 years old. He was baptised on 17.7.1676, became a ship’s carpenter on the ship Noordwykvlakte, based at Mauritius. They also moved back to the Cape in 1708. He died in Cape Town in 1744.
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